Clinton vs. Bush on Iraq

[grantpk]

I just wondered how many remembered ,Bill Clinton Bombed Hell out of Iraq because they were planning to kill former President Bush with a roadside bomb.

Well, that's an exaggeration.  Yes, Clinton *did* order a bombing raid in 1993 which resulted in a cruise missile attack on Iraqi intelligence headquarters.  I would not call that "Bombing the Hell out of..", but that's just my opinion.

I'm also aware that in 1998 Clinton again ordered a three day bombing strike in response to Iraq's government refusing to fully cooperate with the UN inspectors.  It may have been 24/7 bombing during those three days (Operation Desert Fox); not on an almost continuing basis as claimed by a previous poster.

And, once again, what has Clinton's (mis)behavior got to do with Bush's lying to us about Iraq's WMD?

Is that Robert KKK Byrd?

Yes, I too condemn senator Byrd's involvement with the KKK in his earlier years.  However, the liberalist that I am  I forgive him at least partially since he later disengaged from the KKK and publicly admitted having been wrong.  But what has that got to do with my point that, contrary to what some others on this forum claim, not everyone thought Saddam had WMD back in early 2003?

[JosephBaileyOne]

Well, that's an exaggeration.  Yes, Clinton *did* order a bombing raid in 1993 which resulted in a cruise missile attack on Iraqi intelligence headquarters.  I would not call that "Bombing the Hell out of..", but that's just my opinion.

I'm also aware that in 1998 Clinton again ordered a three day bombing strike in response to Iraq's government refusing to fully cooperate with the UN inspectors.  It may have been 24/7 bombing during those three days (Operation Desert Fox); not on an almost continuing basis as claimed by a previous poster.

And, once again, what has Clinton's (mis)behavior got to do with Bush's lying to us about Iraq's WMD?

Yes, I too condemn senator Byrd's involvement with the KKK in his earlier years.  However, the liberalist that I am  I forgive him at least partially since he later disengaged from the KKK and publicly admitted having been wrong.  But what has that got to do with my point that, contrary to what some others on this forum claim, not everyone thought Saddam had WMD back in early 2003?

From 1991 on, the USA had a Southern and Northern No-Fly Zone that resulted in many a 24/7 bombing routine.  You need to get your facts straight before you post such an ignorant post again.

Every intelligence agency in the world thought Iraq had WMD's including the former UN Arms Inspector.

[TLC1ST]

Yes Granprk I have the book and its in Clintons own words.You are intitled to your own opinion,however wrong it is.

[grantpk]

From 1991 on, the USA had a Southern and Northern No-Fly Zone that resulted in many a 24/7 bombing routine.

Could you give some reference to the bombings that occurred between the two I know about?  I really would like to know.  I am aware of the US imposed no-fly zones and recall that a few times Iraq fired missiles at our planes resultiinig in the pilots responding by firing missiles at the sites that had fired at them.  However, to my recollection, those incidents were few and far apart and certainly do not qualify as "24/7 bombings", IMHO.

(Edited)  On second thought, don't bother to respond.  It's irrelevant to the position that I maintain:  Bush administration had no real evidence of Iraq still having WMD at the time of our invasion.

Every intelligence agency in the world thought Iraq had WMD's including the former UN Arms Inspector.

Well, whether they did or not -- and of course not *every* agency did -- doesn't change the fact that the US had no credible evidence of the existence of WMD in Iraq.

BTW, one former UN inspector may have thought Iraq had WMD, but another publicly told us that he didn't think so in 2002 (does the name Scott Ritter ring any bells?).

[FoulBreeze]

Mr. Grant:

These guys have already drank from the Kool-Aid. There's not much hope left for them. They see Benito Bush as some glorious crusading Savior, that's gonna kill enough people, to make Gasoline cheap again, for them to put in their shiny new Humvees. Honestly, I personally think 49 stars would look just as good as 50 on the flag, so let the Texo-Fascists have their own Autonomy, and let all the 20% of our Population (Fascists themselves) move down there to help W clear brush and drink a beer with him on his Ranch.

[JosephBaileyOne]

Could you give some reference to the bombings that occurred between the two I know about?  I really would like to know.  I am aware of the US imposed no-fly zones and recall that a few times Iraq fired missiles at our planes resultiinig in the pilots responding by firing missiles at the sites that had fired at them.  However, to my recollection, those incidents were few and far apart and certainly do not qualify as "24/7 bombings", IMHO.

(Edited)  On second thought, don't bother to respond.  It's irrelevant to the position that I maintain:  Bush administration had no real evidence of Iraq still having WMD at the time of our invasion.
Well, whether they did or not -- and of course not *every* agency did -- doesn't change the fact that the US had no credible evidence of the existence of WMD in Iraq.

BTW, one former UN inspector may have thought Iraq had WMD, but another publicly told us that he didn't think so in 2002 (does the name Scott Ritter ring any bells?).

Scott Ritter is as credible as a lying cheat.  I would take the word of Richard Butler over Rotter's any day since Butler was the actual Chief Arms Inspector and not some flunky mouth that was carrying all kinds of baggage with him about Bush.

I suggest that you go back and read the news accounts, read the Pentagon reports and get off this "I didn't know" crap.  It was all over the news then for anyone who paid attention to it. 

[MrClean61]

Foulbreeze,

I noticed your Texo-Fascist comment. What exactly does being from Texas have to do with all of this? Are you saying that being from Texas is what makes these people the way they are? Are you insinuating that being from Texas is some sort of plague? Exactly where are you going with the Texo comment? Is it your opinion that everybody from Texas falls into that category?

[grantpk]

Scott Ritter is as credible as a lying cheat.

Right on!  Anybody who tells the truth is a lying cheat. 

[FoulBreeze]

... I noticed your Texo-Fascist comment. What exactly does being from Texas have to do with all of this? Are you saying that being from Texas is what makes these people the way they are? Are you insinuating that being from Texas is some sort of plague? Exactly where are you going with the Texo comment? Is it your opinion that everybody from Texas falls into that category?

No, no, no. You've got me all wrong. A Texo is not neccessarily a Texan. There have been quite a few good Texans: Ann Richards,  Billy Gibbons, Dusty Hill, Frank Beard, and Jim Hightower; to name a few.

A Texo-Facsist, and yes there are quite a few of these in Texas; believes that one can use Nationalized Budgets, and a Nationalized Military, for protecting Private companies futures, and taking another country's Nationalized resources to be Capitalized for their own Private Profits, and not be held responsible for any National debt incurred as a result of their actions. That, Sir, is a Texo-Fascist.

It's not what the framers of the Constitution had in mind for the future of this country. Some of our founding fathers were around at the inception of Corporations here, but based on the bad taste left by the East India Company, Corporations had to be dissolved every 20 years, and their activities closely monitored by the Attorney General. In the 1890's Corporations hi-jacked the 14th Amendment, and created themselves the legal fiction of a Constitutionally protected Person. Our laws and Supreme Court have been headed to the gutter since those Supreme Court decisions were made. One day we may have to re-write a new Constitution so the rights can be for We the People, instead of We the Corporations.

So therein lies the Fascist part, for Benito Mussolini himself said something to the effect that, when Government and Corporate Interests merge, there you have Fascism. The current Corporate Facsists that have done the most harm to our Nation morally and financially lately, have been the Oil Barons. Oil tends to be synonomous with the prefix Texo-, Texa- etc., so the term Texo-Fascist bears current validity.